GRO digital images

Just had GRO's response to my feedback on the misalignment. They have refunded my £2.50 and added "If you still require a copy of the above entry you may wish to place a further order for a PDF image or a certificate." That accords with Peter's comment on my original posting that there is no facility to correct a misalignment. Incidentally thank you Peter for suggesting 30th December rather than my assumption of something "teenth". On reflection given Henry was in the list of burials for w/e 4 January 1878 in the local paper and, on the evidence of other deaths there, the Colchester Workhouse seems to have been on the ball with getting deaths registered, the 30th looks a better reading. I've had it up at much higher magnification than the extract posted here.

 

5 days ...but it has never been enforced in any way.

 

Peter, thank you for the GRO digital image tip. I ordered 4 images last Thursday for £10 ($12.78 US) and had the images in minutes. One of the images was cropped incorrectly, cutting off the date of death. I notified the GRO and within 24 hours they had refunded the £2.50 with a suggestion to reorder as a PDF or certificate. This new service is a real blessing for those of us in the United States researching English ancestors. I thought the PDF program was great. This is even better. So much better than waiting for paper certificates to be air mailed and much more dependable. Thank you!

 

Sec 19 of the 1836 Act says

"That the Father or Mother of any Child born, or the Occupier of every House or Tenement in England in which any Birth or Death shall happen, after the said First day of March, may, within Forty-two Days next after the Day of such Birth or within Five Days after the Day of such Death respectively".

The eight days mentioned in Sec 25 seems to relate to the time limit for registering AFTER a request ( "upon being requested to do so") made from the registrar. But the 1836 Act is very poorly worded in places, hence the confusion about fines/penalties that is so often misquoted and misunderstood.

And you can bury/cremate somebody before registering ( and always have been able to) - as a registrar I registered quite a few deaths after the funeral had taken place. Nowadays it would probably only be in cases that involve the coroner ( although it can be in other cases too), and requires a "certificate for burial/cremation" to be issued by the coroner or a registrar, and that can be done before registration.

Historically both the 1836 and 1874 Acts specified the requirement for the registrar to be notified within 7 days of any burial that happened without it first having been registered. For many people, the motivation to register after a funeral, when there was no estate to deal was probably pretty low and probably accounts for the examples of burials you can find in many parish registers which don't seem to have any corresponding death registration.

Antony

 

Yes it is - also commonly called " the green form" by funeral directors and it is what gives them authority to arrange disposal of the body. It is almost always issued at the time of registration, but can be issued before.

The interesting thing, from a research aspect, is that there is a tear off section that has to be returned to the registrar confirming where and when the burial/cremation took place. These are then checked against the issuing book and any missing ones chased up with the funeral directors so that all bodies are accounted for.

Very sadly, they are not kept beyond that...... they could be so useful in tracking down that missing burial of an ancestor if they were.

(A cremation does need a further authorisation signed by another doctor, but that isn't part of the registration process, and will be arranged by the FD ... the doctor gets a fee for doing it and they call it "ash cash")

 

These days a "before registration" authority for a burial/cremation would almost certainly come from the coroner and the registrar wouldn't be aware at all until the family come to register the death later, or the details for regsitration come through direct from the coroner ( if there has been an inquest).

Most people only interact with the registration system at the most stressful times of their lives, so it isn't surprising they don't fully take in the details of what happens.

Understanding of how civil registration actually works is generally very poor amongst family history researchers (including most professionals) - genealogy courses don't cover it any proper detail as it is seen as "too basic" and this is then compounded by so much inaccurate or sometimes completely wrong information that appears on many websites and forums !

 

Online images for deaths are now available up to 1957 on the GRO website. Get ordering!

 

Thanks, Lindy

 

As soon as I found out about this I ordered a death certificate for my great aunt's husband. His name was William Johnson, and being a common name I hadn't wanted to risk paying £7 for a pdf, only to find it was the wrong person. So all I knew was that his youngest child was born in 1914 and his wife was widowed before the 1921 census. Anyway, I ordered the most likely match and it was the right person and interestingly I discovered that he died in an explosion at a munitions factory in Chilwell. Notts on 1st July 1918. He had to be presumed dead because so many people were just blown to pieces. Very sad.