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Missing entries - GRO Online Index

Discussion in 'England & Wales BMD indexes' started by At home in NZ, Jun 21, 2020.

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  1. At home in NZ

    At home in NZ Guest

    Who said the press said that? it could have been somebody from the tourism industry for all you know, I was merely citing an example of why people hesitate to spend.
    I honestly don't care how many yen there are to the dollar, the fact is that Japanese tourists numbers have gone down as this table shows. Way back in the late 1980's, early 1990's Japanese were coming here to get married and were only here for short periods, obviously they spent up large then. Please don't argue with that, my daughter was working in inbound Japanese tourism at that time and I know because she used to tell me about it.

    I don't know if you have travelled extensively but we, like the average joe blow Kiwi, look for the cheapest flights. We do not take part in expensive activities as we travel to see people and places.

    Not all tourists are affluent. that's a fallacy.
     
    At home in NZ, Sep 17, 2021
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  2. peter

    peter Administrator Staff Member

    You did.
    I wasn't thinking of Japanese visitors to New Zealand - it never crossed my mind. I was thinking of the ones I've seen in England and the US, especially Hawaii.
    Yes, I travelled a lot in the past, and as you will know I am very cost-conscious. Depending on the facilities in the room we would take an electric kettle, small electric hob, and even a small fridge if there wasn't one provided.
    I never said they were. What I actually said was that people who travel to the other side of the world on holiday are probably more affluent than most. I've never been to the Antipodes.
     
    peter, Sep 17, 2021
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  3. At home in NZ

    At home in NZ Guest

    Hopefully you wouldn't advise anybody to pay the gobsmacking amount of £159.99 for the Pro version either. FMP is far more expensive than Ancestry and for the most part Ancestry is sufficient for my needs.
     
    At home in NZ, Sep 18, 2021
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  4. At home in NZ

    At home in NZ Guest

    They wouldn't let me on the plane with that lot.
     
    At home in NZ, Sep 18, 2021
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  5. peter

    peter Administrator Staff Member

    Not sure where you are getting your figures - Findmypast is actually cheaper than Ancestry (for the equivalent subscriptions at their respective UK sites). Also Findmypast automatically give 15% loyalty discount for renewals - Ancestry do not reward loyalty.

    It's also worth remembering that the cost of Findmypast's top subscription is the same as in 2009 even though they've added parish records, newspapers, the 1939 Register, and world records since then.
    Why not?
     
    peter, Sep 18, 2021
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  6. Mitch_in_Notts

    Mitch_in_Notts LostCousins Member

    I should image he is getting them from Findmypast subscription page:
    £79.99 starter, £119.99 plus, £159.99 pro.
    Ancestry worldwide is £179.99 a year, but I only pay £89.99, as I don't automatically renew each year and half price offers always seem available with Ancestry.
    I have not found any half price offers with such a saving on findmypast.
     
    Mitch_in_Notts, Sep 18, 2021
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  7. peter

    peter Administrator Staff Member

    Exactly the point I was making.
    I did say that whereas Findmypast offer an automatic Loyalty Discount, Ancestry don't reward loyalty.
     
    peter, Sep 18, 2021
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  8. Helen7

    Helen7 LostCousins Superstar

    True, Ancestry reward disloyalty. As Mitch_in_Notts points out, Ancestry offer a half price subscription each year if you don't renew - and in my experience the offer appears as soon as your previous subscription expires.
     
    Helen7, Sep 18, 2021
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  9. At home in NZ

    At home in NZ Guest

    Quite correct Mitch BUT I'm a female. :D
    I also only pay £89.99 for Ancestry. Which, in my frugal mind is still quite a lot of money when converted to NZD.
     
    At home in NZ, Sep 19, 2021
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  10. peter

    peter Administrator Staff Member

    The key point is that searching at Findmypast is free, so whether you have a subscription or not, it's a good place to start searching for pre-1911 births to a particular couple. For example, if I search for the children of my great-grandfather John Wells and his wives, two sisters whose maiden name was Pepperell, all 12 of them are listed in the search results:

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    You can view those results whether you have a subscription or not.
     
    peter, Sep 19, 2021
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  11. Helen7

    Helen7 LostCousins Superstar

    I don't miss this, as I never found the other options particularly useful.

    However, what I am missing now is the option to specify 'Age at Death' in the Death index search. I used that a lot to filter out people of the wrong age with common surnames, to avoid getting a very long list of hits. You still see the age at death shown after a search, but it no longer offers this as a filter to carry out the search - that box has disappeared. Have others noticed this, or is it just me?
     
    Helen7, Sep 19, 2021
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  12. Mitch_in_Notts

    Mitch_in_Notts LostCousins Member

    Apologies. But it least it is good to know I DO NOT get everything right ;)
     
    Mitch_in_Notts, Sep 19, 2021
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  13. peter

    peter Administrator Staff Member

    I think it's probably good news, in that it seems to confirm my previous assumption that they are planning to improve the search. The age at death search was always of limited value and unnecessarily complicated - year of birth would be far more useful, so lets hope that's what they are planning.
     
    peter, Sep 19, 2021
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  14. Helen7

    Helen7 LostCousins Superstar

    Yes, I agree that would be better.
     
    Helen7, Sep 19, 2021
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  15. kirkstall

    kirkstall LostCousins Star

    Back on topic....
    Exactly what checking did GRO do before putting their data online? I have found two examples where they have made up the District of North Burley instead of North Bierley. Interestingly they have also transcribed the surname incorrectly, Reod instead of Reid. Did they convert these records on a Friday afternoon?
     
    kirkstall, Dec 7, 2021
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  16. peter

    peter Administrator Staff Member

    I doubt they did any checking - it would have been a waste of money (and it would have been our money). After all, people had been ordering copy certificates for almost 180 years using the quarterly indexes, so the new indexes were just a bonus.

    But do you know for a fact that these register entries have been wrongly transcribed, ie do you have copies, or is it merely an assumption? The fact that you've found two entries with the same misspelling makes me wonder whether it's the register that is incorrect - bear in mind that Bierley is just south of Bradford, and Burley is about 10 miles to the north of Bradford so plenty of scope for confusion. I've seen similar errors in the censuses.
     
    peter, Dec 7, 2021
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  17. pjd

    pjd LostCousins Star

    Burley (in Wharfedale) is not a registration district but North Bierley definitely is:
    • Created : 1.1.1892
    • Abolished : 1.1.1939 (to become part of Bradford, Keighley, Wharfedale, Spen Valley, and Leeds South registration districts)
    • Sub-districts : Calverley, Cleckheaton, Drighlington, Horton, Idle, North Bierley, Pudsey, Shipley, Thornton, Wilsden
    • GRO volumes : 9b (1892-1938).
    So must be a transcription error
     
    pjd, Dec 7, 2021
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  18. kirkstall

    kirkstall LostCousins Star

    The entries are correct on FreeBMD and hence the original quarterly GRO index is also correct.. What is wrong on those, and why I started looking, is the age of one entry.
     
    kirkstall, Dec 7, 2021
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  19. peter

    peter Administrator Staff Member

    Indeed.
    That doesn't follow - how can you be certain that the assistant registrar wrote the name correctly if you haven't seen the register?
    That also doesn't follow - you'd have to look at the image to be certain. For this quarter the indexes are printed so we can't be sure that what was written in the index is what appears in the copy register. (There are numerous examples in the handwritten quarterly indexes of registration districts written in a non-standard way. )

    However the surname is shown in the quarterly indexes as Read, not Reid as in your original post, which demonstrates how easy it is for words that sound the same to be written down incorrectly.
     
    peter, Dec 7, 2021
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  20. kirkstall

    kirkstall LostCousins Star

    Sorry my error I know the name is Read.

    I have informed GRO so we will just have to wait and see if they do amend the entries.
     
    kirkstall, Dec 7, 2021
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