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Just FOUR days to find the owner of this ring!

Discussion in 'Somerset' started by peter, Jul 1, 2015.

  1. Alexander Bisset

    Alexander Bisset Administrator Staff Member

    Peter has already done this.
     
  2. MartinB

    MartinB LostCousins Member

    The Bristol man is elusive but did not die in WWII. That casualty, Geoffrey Ralph Jackson, was the son of different parents in Mortlake, Surrey (CWGC). Ancestry's British Phone Books has a Geoffrey R Jackson, Confec,Tbcnst,Stnr, in Enfield, Middlesex in 1975/76.

    Do Mr & Mrs Patch recall if Michael was ever visited by relatives or whether any attended his funeral?

    Ethel is named as Effie in the newspaper report of her marriage to Herbert at the Wesleyan Chapel, Compton Dando. She was attended by Miss Margaret Paget, the best man was Geoffrey Swanton, and her father may have been dead because she was given away by Mr G P Caple, JP, of Stanton Prior. (Western Daily Press 8 May 1924, FMP/BNA)

    The Bumblebee image looks very much like a man's ring, and is said to be quite worn. Might it have been lost on his farm by Herbert and long after found by an (unauthorised) metal dectectorist?

    Or might one or twin rings have been sold as part of Michael's personal estate (and most probably melted down), if not bequeathed to a relative or friend by/from whom it/they might have been lost/stolen? Can the Police say how they acquired the ring? And if handed in as lost property, then where and by whom?

    Not found by searching the auction site for HJJ or EAO (which does find the present ring), but if the police have recovered both rings together perhaps they are holding back the second so as not to compromise bidding for both at the same time. Can the police say if they have two rings?
     
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  3. peter

    peter Administrator Staff Member

    They didn't know of any relatives - I gather he was a bit of a hermit.
    I don't know much about jewellery, but I do know that in those days very few men wore a wedding ring. This BBC article suggests that it became fashionable in the mid-20th century.
    The police won't give out personal information because of Data Protection, but it's possible I may be able to find out whether it was handed in as lost property or recovered as part of a haul of stolen property.
    If they had two I doubt they would deliberately sell them separately, since they'd be worth more as a pair.
     
  4. Alexander Bisset

    Alexander Bisset Administrator Staff Member

    So it's now past 7pm on the 5th and "Peter Roberts" would appear to have won. I take it this is you Peter?
     
  5. Sue345

    Sue345 LostCousins Member

    Here in the UK the time is 21:47 on the 4th July. A bit to go yet Alexander!
     
  6. Alexander Bisset

    Alexander Bisset Administrator Staff Member

    I could have sworn yesterday was the 4th.
     
  7. Tim

    Tim Megastar and Moderator Staff Member

    Yesterday was the 4th Alexander!
     
  8. peter

    peter Administrator Staff Member

    I'm now the (probably temporary) owner of a very expensive wedding ring.
     
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  9. HowardS

    HowardS LostCousins Star

    Congratulations to Peter on acquiring the ring. As much as I agree with his previous sentiment that Mr and Mrs Patch probably deserve the ring more than any distant relations who probably didn't know Herbert and Ethel, Michael and Colin, it seems a lot of money to spend on pure altruism. I do hope Peter will get some really good publicity for LostCousins out of it, and ought probably to keep the ring himself as a testament to the usefulness of LostCousins and it's Forum.

    Presumably Peter will have to travel personally to Portishead to collect the ring. Might this be an excuse for a LostCousins get-together in the West Country?
     
  10. Alexander Bisset

    Alexander Bisset Administrator Staff Member

    These days the "going rate" is between one to three months salary on a ring. Thus £221 is somewhat cheap.
     
  11. Tim

    Tim Megastar and Moderator Staff Member

    Congratulations!
     
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  12. peter

    peter Administrator Staff Member

    There's a big difference between what you'd pay for a ring at a jeweller and what it's actually worth.

    But in any case the main expenditure is traditionally on the engagement ring, not the wedding ring - I paid 10 times as much for my wife's engagement ring (bought second-hand at an auction, and probably from the same era as the Jackson wedding band) as I did for the wedding ring (bought new from a jeweller).

    And no, I don't wear a ring myself - or any other jewellery, not even a watch.
     
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  13. Heather

    Heather LostCousins Member

    Well done Peter and to everyone who added information. It will be interesting to hear what happens from now, hopefully one outcome will be more people joining Lost Cousins.
     
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  14. Springwater

    Springwater New Member

    I should probably have said that I'd also checked the previous issue and found nothing, but the idea of reporting no further information seemed to contribute nothing useful. But it would have saved you pointless effort.
    Oops.

    Still, having two people check is probably a good idea.

    BTW - when Michael's will finally turns up, let's hope that the beneficiary isn't the same person who just auctioned the ring.
     
  15. peter

    peter Administrator Staff Member

    I checked twice, in case I'd missed it the first time!
    The ring was auctioned by Avon & Somerset police - whether it was unclaimed lost property or stolen property that they hadn't been able to return to its owner is something I've yet to discover.

    However, it may have been stolen from someone who bought it legitimately.
     
  16. peter

    peter Administrator Staff Member

    I've just downloaded the will: several names I don't recognise. Ruth Nelson had previously shown up in the Electoral Register.
     

    Attached Files:

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  17. uncle024

    uncle024 LostCousins Star

    Names in the Will:-
    Marguerite Jessie R SMITH born 25 April 1934, died abt Sep 2002, daughter of Ivor Smith & Dora Esther OLIVER, (youngest sister of Ethel) married Leslie G RAWLINGS in 1953.
    In 2002 they were both living at Quarry Farm,Berry Hill,Doynton Wick, Gloucestershire, England
     
  18. johninoz

    johninoz New Member

    A very interesting story. I have been following it with interest. Here's hoping for a good outcome, both for Lost Cousins and the ring.
     
  19. uncle024

    uncle024 LostCousins Star

    Names in Will:-
    Rosalie Wallace was born Rosalie Ann Mellona COLLIS in 1947 daughter of Richard William COLLIS & Jane Catherine Mellena STUTLEY, her father being a Major in the Royal Irish Fusiliers. She married Ian M Wallace in 1969. She is still living in address given in Will. I can find no family connection to the Jacksons.
     
  20. uncle024

    uncle024 LostCousins Star

    Frances Britten was born Frances E J PENWILL 1941-1945 in Washington USA, and first married John W QUIN in 1964 and then married Stephen J Britten in 1978. She is still living at address given in Will. I can find no family connection to the Jacksons.
     

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