Ancestry can be so perverse

I am failing to find any of the other people on the same page, or the next page. Seem to have gone awol.

 

If you look at the images on Findmypast, the pages jump from folio 565 page 8 to folio 566 page 9.

 

So why are the images not the same on Ancestry and Findmypast?

 

A search in Ancestry in the 1851 UK census for Pruyne gives 'zero good matches'.

 

That's odd. I just did a search of 1851 UK Census Collection on Ancestry and got 20 matches, the top one being Capers Gattrnac Bying Pruyne - the only one from the Wales census, the other 19 being from the England census.

 

Oops, I had drilled down to the England census, one of my more blonde moments!

 

Ancestry's entries from folios 566 - 573, which cover the occupants of the District Fort Barracks in Pembroke Dock, don't seem to appear on Findmypast at all. I've scrolled through the images for Pembroke Dock on Findmypast and done random searches for some of the names in the Barracks on Ancestry, but none come up on Findmypast.

 

That seems to be a good argument in favour of having subscriptions (or at least access) to both Findmypast and Ancestry, if funds allow

Does this sort of thing occur with other censuses? I'm thinking in particular of 1841, 1881 and 1911 where we use the census references to enter our ancestors on Lost Cousins. It would be awkward if different sites had different references for the same individuals.

 

I had a look in the address search on FMP for Pembroke Dock, Fort Barrack etc but no luck.

 

I have a family in the 1841 Wales census who appear on Ancestry but not on FMP. Ref. is 1440/3/18/28, but the FMP entries jump from book 2 to book 4 with no book 3. I notice that some 12 of the 35 pages of book 3 (including page 28) are crossed out - though clearly legible - with a comment that they are erroneous and have been placed elsewhere, but it seems odd to exclude the whole book. Ancestry don't index the crossed out pages, but you can get to them by stepping through the book.

EDIT: I've just had another search on FMP - not for my family of interest but for another family on the same page - and found my family. They are in book 2, ref 1440/2/16/25. I'll now go and amend the reference on the LC entry. One problem is that they mis-spelt the family surname in the book 2 entry whereas it was correct in the crossed-out book 3 one, which is why I couldn't find them previously.

 

My interest in the matter was in following up on the corrective name supplied by an Ancestry subscriber of Captain Gallway Byng Payne (Royal Marines). Following this up I discovered a London Gazette announcement of his retirement viz:

"Captain and Brevet* Major Gallway Byng Payne to be Lieutenant-Colonel, vice Langford**, retired on full pay (date September 24 1858)

*Brevet being an honorary promotion (without any pay increase or substantive responsibility) to the next rank so he was further uplifted on retirement to the rank above substantive Major of Lieutenant Colonel.

**the term 'vice' and a surname (in this case Langford) means his final promotion was granted by a vacancy created by a Lieutenant Colonel 'Langford' (reason not given but could be death, a vacancy caused by promotion to a higher rank, or even by a financial arrangement).

A Military Historian explains :
..."at this time (early-mid 1800's) officers were promoted into vacancies left by others, and that the standard formula for such announcements (London Gazette) includes the surname of the officer creating the vacancy"

 

Here he is again in 1861 on FMP but still with a middle initial mis-transcription which the original shows as 'P' (not 'B' for Byng) and is transcribed as 'C' but at least we know we have the right person as his rank Lt.Col. rank is shown on the original:



and the FMP transcription:


This time round Ancestry 1861 Census transcribe him as Galway P Payne which is a factual transcription. Just leaving us to ponder what on earth his middle name could have been if not Byng? * But an improvement all round from... Capers Gattrnac Bying Pruyne

Edit: * best guess the enumerator mis heard Galway B Payne as Galway P!

 

It's in the Edinburgh Gazette April 6 1858, listed as a Brevet Major in the left hand column.
According to the House of Names website Byng was a surname from Kent.
Gallway's parents Samuel John Payne and his wife Anna Maria Trent had several children, they are in FamilySearch

 

I looked at the first page of the 1851 census in Ancestry, it defines who is responsible for the gathering of the information in these establishments. I doubt Gallway himself wrote so may pages, more than likely delegated to a person of lower rank.